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Nº 345 unter 1134 unter Nürnberg
Nº 10 von 23 Fränkisches Restaurant unter Nürnberg
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Always a good place in Nuremberg, a cozy beer garden with good food and friendly service. We'd be happy to go again.
Stefan Mühlberger . 2025-09-09
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4 stars, Breitscheidstr. 15, 90459 Nuremberg-Innenstadt In the middle of a residential area, not a real feast for the eyes. The bar inside apparently only opens in cooler temperatures. So we sat under the chestnut tree and enjoyed the friendly staff and the "real Nurembergers." Thanks, Iris, it was really delicious. The price/performance ratio here is absolutely perfect! Even though the Schäufele is now €4 more expensive (now €17.90). All beers (0.5 l) for €4.50, 0.2 l Bacchus for €6.20. The roasted dumpling fries were amazing, very reminiscent of Belgian fries. They are made from roasted dumplings, unique!
Ducky S . 2025-09-08
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A beautiful, classic beer garden with large chestnut trees in a not-so-inviting, somewhat run-down setting. They serve good Humser beer and a very tasty Cordon Bleu.
Monaco Ehl . 2025-09-01
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I was just in the beer garden, which was very nice. I especially love the fairy lights. The roast pork was top-notch, as were the Obatzde (traditional German sausages) and the beers. The service matched this, attentive and friendly, inviting, so it would be fun to have the same or more again. Thank you very much!
Holger Specht . 2025-08-25
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Nice beer garden 👍🏼 good German food!
HannesK . 2025-08-18
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A very nice beer garden. The food and drinks are also great. Unfortunately, most of the waiters have little experience these days.
Alexander Bock von Wülfingen . 2025-08-17
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Great shady beer garden in the middle of the city.
Anja Z . 2025-08-13
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Highly recommended. Large selection of beers and a lovely beer garden. A play area with a sandpit is available for children.
Goodspirit . 2025-08-06
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Great food and served very quickly. The shoulder of pork was excellent. The staff also gets a 10 out of 10.
Thomas Hausmann . 2025-08-06
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Very nice beer garden under the trees in the heart of the city. Pleasant atmosphere.
Martina Hellfeier . 2025-08-03
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Nothing special and from my brief visit not really worth the price, but the service is good and I can see a possible atmosphere argument
Maciej Kazimierczak . 2025-08-02
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A truly beautiful beer garden nestled among the houses in the southern part of the city. Close to the train station, friendly staff, and authentic local cuisine!
Niklas Klein . 2025-07-31
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Quaint inn with a beer garden. Service a bit slow
Stephan Kelm . 2025-07-27
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They serve great food at reasonable prices 👍 It may look a bit unassuming from the outside, but the courtyard is a great beer garden with prompt service.
Maggus . 2025-07-25
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Nice beer garden, friendly service, good food.
Raimund Kelnberger . 2025-07-22
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Nice beer garden, food and drinks were good value for money. It was nice here. Would come again.
Dominik . 2025-07-16
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Didn't know that there was such a nice beer garden in the southern part of Nuremberg
Fuboner . 2025-07-15
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A very cozy beer garden with a young, dedicated team. Good selection of food and drinks at fair prices. Even larger groups can get their food quickly and at the same time. Large sandbox with plenty of toys for the little ones.
Harald Obenaus . 2025-07-14
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The beer garden is great, a great outdoor seating area. Food is a bit expensive and service could be better.
Josiah Teft . 2025-07-11
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I find it expensive for the mediocre quality. It's not worth repeating. There's better in Nuremberg.
Rene Ploth . 2025-07-10
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Hidden cozy Biergarten with good German dishes and lots of beer. We had the kids with us. There is no specific children's menu but they shared an adult portion.
Lars . 2025-07-09
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I really enjoy coming here for food and drinks. The large beer garden, which you wouldn't expect to find in this location, is a wonderful place to enjoy a cold beer in the summer. In the winter, they serve mulled wine outside. The food is Franconian, and there are daily specials that change regularly. The food is delicious. When it's busy, though, it can take a while.
Josef Weiß . 2025-07-08
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Super nice beer garden. Friendly service. Prices OK. Anytime again.
Daniel Rhode . 2025-07-07
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The service staff were very quick and, despite the stress, always cheerful and courteous.
Wilhelmine Kofler . 2025-07-05
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A quaint restaurant with a wide selection of dishes. I love eating here. In summer, the beer garden is fantastic and nice and cool.
Michael Gärtner . 2025-07-04
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Beautiful beer garden, with good food and friendly service. A fresh coat of paint wouldn't hurt, though. I think they could tackle that during the next off-season (paint, the old tent/pavilion, and the dated-looking colorful fairy lights). But it doesn't detract much from the overall good impression.
Timo . 2025-07-02
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Beautiful, sheltered beer garden
Thomas Pfeiffer . 2025-07-01
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The beer garden provided a truly delightful evening for our group of around 20 people! The atmosphere was great and inviting. We were particularly pleasantly surprised by the clear menu – it made choosing pleasantly easy for so many people. The food was consistently delicious. We had a great time and can definitely recommend this beer garden for social evenings with a larger group.
Sabine . 2025-06-30
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I waited about 1 hour 20 minutes for my order
Borys Libis . 2025-06-29
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Unfortunately, the fried potatoes were heated in the microwave.
thomas.hursach . 2025-06-24
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A traditional, large, yet overgrown beer garden in the heart of Nuremberg's southern part of town. It's easily accessible from the train station in just a few minutes on foot. A must-try: the roasted dumpling fries! They're amazing!
Markus J. B. Heindl . 2025-06-18
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Franconian home cooking, delicious, very friendly, fast, and affordable. Great beer garden!
Patrick Maier . 2025-06-16
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Very nice beer garden with great beer and food
Ronald Lange . 2025-06-11
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Everything was great! The schnitzels are outstanding 🫶
Uli Niklaus . 2025-06-01
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Great beer garden in the heart of the city. Delicious shoulder of pork and dumpling fries. Awesome.
Reinhard Blank . 2025-05-26
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Great service. Always friendly and accommodating. Food tasty and fresh. Thank you for the pleasant evening
F. Ruhmann . 2025-05-25
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Nice beer garden for playing cards.
mr fenba . 2025-05-16
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We really enjoyed the beer garden in the backyard.
Guido Ludwigs - Meditation - Liebe in Allem . 2025-05-14
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Shady backyard beer garden with a small selection of food and several drinks. Staff were sometimes overwhelmed due to the number of guests, but were friendly. Food is quite good, but nothing special. Some of the prices are decent.
Uwe . 2025-05-12
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Very good food with friendly service and a large beer garden not far from the main train station (south exit). Tasty food, served quickly. Absolutely worth a visit, reservations strongly recommended, except in the beer garden.
Thomas Rank . 2025-05-11
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Nice, pleasant beer garden with great food
SiX . 2025-05-10
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Franconian inn with changing daily beers and delicious food at fair prices. On Wednesdays there is a battle bowl. The employees are very friendly and in a good mood.
René Felzmann (René Felzmann Immobilien) . 2025-05-07
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Great inn, beer garden with sandpit. Service top and all extremely child-friendly. Food was great!
Vandere Lin . 2025-05-02
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An oasis with old trees and good food in the middle of the city. Price for the quality was always pleasant before. Unfortunately we were doused with a tablet of beer and the prices went up quite a bit. Fried potatoes cost 3 euros extra, although the cordon bleu isn't that cheap anyway. So I had to change my review.
Je S . 2025-05-01
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Great beer garden, delicious beer, friendly service, food took two minutes from order to table, Schäufle 5/5 I hope the train from Nuremberg is delayed again next time and I have time for a relegation 👍
Ruben G. . 2025-04-30
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Huihuihui fantastic Schäufele, good beer, courteous service, fast food. Dreamy!
Laura Ge . 2025-04-30
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The beer garden is nice in summer, so we recently went to the Silberkanne in the evening during the cold season to look at the restaurant. But it's nothing unusual. The Franconian draft beer was delicious and the service was friendly. I ate cold roast with bread and a little vegetable garnish. It didn't taste bad, but a short time later it literally made me feel sick. Once I freed my stomach of this burden, I was at least able to sleep, but still needed another day to recover. My conclusion: Never again a silver pot! I won't do that to my stomach again!
Hi Ko . 2025-04-09
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The Schäuffele wasn't really finished yet. Beer is great. Prices are fair
KRAM 47 . 2025-04-08
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Inconspicuous from the outside but cozy inside. The waiter was in a great mood and extremely friendly. He didn't allow himself to be intimidated by the cheeky young group but skillfully and charmingly put them in their place. The food was good and the price was reasonable. I thought it was good that there were toilets in a local that were clean and it smelled wonderfully like peaches :D
It's_Niiique . 2025-04-04
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Food was food, beer was nice and service was also good. Kids got some complementary pencils and coloring books.
Nadelin Georgiev . 2025-04-01
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We were only in Nuremberg for three nights and ate there on the first evening. Because it was so great, we went back the second evening! The food was absolutely delicious – fresh and homemade, prepared with finesse, the service was excellent and very friendly! Highly recommended! If I lived in Nuremberg, this would be my regular restaurant! 👍
Conny . 2025-03-30
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Delicious and fair prices. Nice atmosphere.
Jonas Fischer . 2025-03-29
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A pleasant restaurant with friendly and attentive service. If you like Schäufele (pork shoulder), this is the place to go.
Tador O'Brian . 2025-03-20
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Delicious food and great hospitality. Just a cozy spot.
Waldmann Christopher . 2025-02-25
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If you want to eat well and cheaply, come here
Opa Matze . 2025-02-19
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We had reserved 2 seats for Saturday evening and were extremely satisfied with our visit to the Silberne Kanne. The restaurant is a quick walk from the train station, the service was very friendly and the quality of the food was simply very good! Only the dining room was a bit cool but the atmosphere was very good with delicious Franconian food and drinks.
Jörg Werk . 2025-01-19
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Many thanks to the staff and chefs of this restaurant. The food came quickly, the food was very tasty. The bartender helped us choose the dishes. The employees of the institution are very attentive and always smiling. After visiting the restaurant, I had positive emotions, a good mood and a full stomach. 😉😍
Alla Malovatska . 2025-01-17
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Common food, you could eat it, but for 17 euros I also expect a schnitzel with 🍟 and not limp potato sticks with a piece of meat that has been fried for too long. The service was probably a little annoyed, probably because it was New Year's Eve. There will be a second visit, everyone deserves to grow from criticism.
Mad Jack . 2025-01-08
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After a day's journey from Berlin we had a meal in the pot. We wanted a restaurant that was close to the train station. We were 6 people. The food was very good and fits the region perfectly. We will definitely be back. The proximity to the train station is really perfect. Thank you again for the great hours
Kjhgfde Wwetzjngfrzbft . 2024-12-08
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Excellent restaurant! Everything is just right at the Silberne Kanne in Nuremberg: the service is warm and professional, the food is of the highest quality and lovingly prepared. The atmosphere is stylish and cozy – ideal for any occasion. Absolutely recommended, I would love to come back!
Anne Kühne . 2024-12-08
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Unfortunately not my case. I had the Codon Bleu with potato salad, but had the feeling that neither the potato salad nor the meat was made in-house. The service was great and very hardworking. In the dining room it was rather bare Franconian and very cold.
L. G. . 2024-12-01
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Nice location, nice staff. Food looked very tasty, unfortunately I was just thirsty that day. Therefore I didn't rate the food
Thomas Lämmer . 2024-11-30
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You wait just as long for a good schnitzel as you do for the sauce (forever) Service was friendly and nice but this is definitely not the right pub for you. I would recommend that you look for a new job in a good and smart restaurant (feel free to apply to us)
Marcus Becker . 2024-11-27
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Service and taste very disappointing. Parking situation for non-residents who have to come by car is bad. (It's not the restaurant's fault). Too bad!
Andrea Mahler . 2024-11-20
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Unfortunately not recommended! Schnitzel and liver were ok. Carrot-ginger soup, an indefinable mushy mass with no taste, which was intended as a starter and came together with the main courses. After ordering three times, salads only came when all the plates had already been cleared away. Operation completely overwhelmed. At home we noticed that our bill apparently had 2 items from the neighboring table on it. Unfortunately we noticed it too late because there were 10 of us. We definitely won't be coming back!
Stefan Mahler . 2024-11-20
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Our regulars' table was in the wonderful beer garden over the summer and was very satisfied.
Erika Ha . 2024-11-15
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Friendly service, good Franconian cuisine and a traditional ambience. Gladly again.
Florian Höhne . 2024-10-23
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Food delicious Service top Could be a little cleaner. E.g. renew the menu, it's pretty sticky.
Janique Schaeffler . 2024-10-04
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They have the best franconian food we have had after 2 weeks of traveling in Germany. The spaetzle was outstanding as well as their sausages. The staff was friendly and helpful and I look forward to returning.
Rally Cub . 2024-09-28
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The food is really good again and the service is friendly and fast!!
Susi West . 2024-09-22
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I had to order directly at the counter because the waitresses regularly walked past me without noticing me, although I had previously asked which table I could sit at and they were watching me. Apparently you could sit at any table that didn't have cutlery, which was hardly the case, which is why I approached a couple at a table of eight. I was very happy that there were alcohol-free cyclists. After an hour I received my Schäufele with a dumpling and a little later my side salad. Unfortunately it was a bit dry, but the dumplings and salad were even better. The lighting in the beer garden was only switched on because I asked, even though it was already quite dark and you could hardly see your food. Attention: Unfortunately the opening times do not seem to be correct. I would have liked to eat in the beautiful garden, but it was already closed at 10:30 p.m. Since the beer garden itself only states the times when the beer garden opens, I assume that the length of the opening depends on demand.
Anne T. . 2024-09-15
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Great beer garden with delicious dishes under chestnut trees
K. Heß . 2024-09-13
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Ate...and drank very well. Nice employees, not a long waiting time.
Inge Wagner . 2024-09-12
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Châu Âu Education Du Lịch (Dịch Vụ Toàn Cầu) . 2024-09-08
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Traditional Franconian and cozy restaurant with a beautiful beer garden with old chestnut trees. On the clear menu you will find beautifully presented specialties that come to the table in generous portions. The young waitresses and waiters are quick and very friendly. On warm summer evenings, the beer garden is a small oasis in the southern part of the city. Even in rainy weather, the beer garden can be used thanks to the tent. It's best to make a reservation because the Silver Jug is very popular.
Niesbert Schneuzer . 2024-09-05
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Very nice beer garden under the trees (I love it) a bit hidden in the southern part of the city within walking distance of the main station, the roasted dumpling fries are a dream 👍 Prices are okay, Nuremberg is just that The toilets are large, clean and modern, I didn't expect that 👍Top!!!
Kevin . 2024-09-02
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Very friendly, competent service, great food, draft beer, beautiful beer garden
Markus Frank . 2024-08-28
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We're here more often now. A beautiful shady beer garden. We always enjoyed the food excellently and the service was quick and very friendly.
Alexander Krapf . 2024-08-23
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The food was very good and the service was super friendly.
Holger Bauer . 2024-08-22
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It is on a side street, not easy to find. But the food and service is great! Really friendly.
Qi Sun . 2024-08-21
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Nice place in the southern part of the city. The food is good and we can only recommend the beer garden.
Markus Herbst . 2024-08-18
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small, pretty backyard beer garden
Konstantin H. . 2024-08-17
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Quaint little beer garden in the middle of Nuremberg's southern part of town in summer
Keznera . 2024-08-14
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A small oasis in Nuremberg. Everything down to earth, service on point. Daily beer and daily specials available. Bread was a bit dry but the Obatzda was nice and creamy, and finally with pickle. Dumpling fries great idea for something different. I could also imagine it as a veggie dish with the savoy cabbage.
Palim Palim . 2024-08-11
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The Silberne Kanne is a traditional Franconian restaurant in Nuremberg's southern part of town with a great beer garden under old chestnut trees. In the winter months, the partner restaurant Schrödl Wirt on Enderstrasse is also recommended. Both still charge middle-class prices.
Ulrich Bernhard Engel . 2024-08-10
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Cozy beer garden in the middle of Nuremberg's southern part of town. Good service. The only downer is the slightly increased beer prices
Wolfgang Korn . 2024-08-05
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Great beer garden, good selection of delicious food and drinks?
Melanie Sassy . 2024-08-04
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We had Obatzter and Nuremberg bratwurst with potato salad. The sausage was the best I have had. Very friendly service and favorable press. We'd love to come back.
Thomas Perch-Nielsen . 2024-07-29
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Good Franconian food, unfortunately the kitchen is quite inflexible when it comes to vegetarian dishes
Allman b. Wertung . 2024-07-26
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Perfect restaurant! Very good German cuisine, not very expensive, great setting and very friendly staff despite the crowds.
Thomas Ouvrard . 2024-07-25
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One of the most beautiful beer gardens in the middle of the city. Delicious food and nice company
Mei Nbg . 2024-07-25
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The food portions are large, so if you bring children...it is likely that one plate for two children will be enough.
Azucena Garcia . 2024-07-23
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We found the beer garden in Nuremberg's south city by chance, as it is in a side street. Nice atmosphere, friendly service, delicious beer and good regional cuisine. The prices for drinks are fair, the food prices are one or two euros too much in my opinion - at least for the Obatzter. Definitely recommended for a nice evening in good company!
Sven Oliver . 2024-07-17
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Friendly boss and staff. Enjoy your meal. Nice quiet beer garden. Nice atmosphere. Price/performance okay. Clean toilets.
B R . 2024-07-14
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We were in the beer garden, a little oasis in the middle of the city. Thanks to the surrounding greenery and the high fences, the hustle and bustle of everyday life disappears. 👍🏻 The beer was tasty and so was the food. 👍🏻 The Schäufele came off the bone well. 👍🏻 A little insider tip is the dumpling fries. 👍🏻 The service is relaxed.
Jan Siedentopf . 2024-06-30
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Food was delicious, Alina (waitress) is just great ❤️
Lena Tamara . 2024-06-26
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Original Franconian cuisine whatever that is!!!
Christian Altmann . 2024-06-25
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Great cozy beer garden with high quality food and great service. We will be back.
Katja Klingert . 2024-06-25
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Beautiful, hidden beer garden with feel-good service, a new discovery even for “old” Nuremberg residents!
Sabine Jankowski . 2024-06-19
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Nice place..typical kindergarten...tasty kasepatzel and fresh weissbiere..very nice environment :)
Bujinkan Bitokuryu Dojo . 2024-06-16
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