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Nº 1066 unter 3010 unter München
Nº 43 von 119 Bayerisches Restaurant unter München
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Went there today for ice cream with the family. Great service and super delicious ice cream.
Kathi . 2024-09-01
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This time we went to the old inn while passing through based on a recommendation from the newspaper. The service was very quick and friendly. We found the food not very tasty. The schnitzel with pretzel breading was just okay in terms of meat, but on the dry side. The breading (7 cheese! and pretzel crumbs) had a neutral taste. The potato salad had no taste. The dumpling carpaccio was dominated by the vinaigrette. Prices are rather ambitious for what is on offer. The beer garden is okay, but not special either. Sanitary very clean.
Guido Heydecke . 2024-08-26
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10/10 experience! Everything about this place is right, the food tastes amazing, the service is friendly and quick, the interior design of this place is rustic but modern, AND the price is just right.
Ben . 2024-08-25
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I was not too lazy to go to Alter Wirt and read the reviews... and there they write: I exercised in the evening, I didn't like it, and TD. Who exercised and what... where is the photo with flies in the soup or something else. If you write nasty things, then give me proof. The waiters are friendly and quick, they immediately sent me a Slovak with whom I immediately found a common language... 99.9% of the guests are local, I think they know where to go to eat. the food is VERY TASTY.. and the beer 🍺 and the toilet smells nice. first time in Munich but I hope to come back here more than once...
Anna Sasa . 2024-08-24
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Always worth a visit, even under the new team, always happy
Christian Randelshofer . 2024-08-20
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Good service, good food - what more could you want :)
Lisa Marie . 2024-08-18
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The food is amazing...you should be really hungry...the portions are very large...the quality is also really good...the service staff are always super friendly...always very happy...
Anita Kaindl . 2024-08-17
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Great food, great service, great atmosphere. Gladly again
Tasim Ibrahimovic . 2024-08-04
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Salad with zander was great, trout with potatoes and vegetables was great, very friendly service.
Gabi Höfer . 2024-08-02
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Good food and pleasant atmosphere with nice service!
van Quynh Nguyen . 2024-07-28
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Very nice restaurant in the town center with a very nice beer garden. Service and food excellent. Playground for children is also there. Prices okay. I can recommend it.
Helga A. . 2024-07-27
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Friendly and fast service, super tasty food, nice ambience, great value for money, we can only recommend it! Gladly again and again!
Holtz Frank . 2024-07-26
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This store is a 10 out of 10. The beer garden is large (including a playground for children), in the evenings the fairy lights shine over the entire beer garden and every table gets a small candle. The food was beautifully prepared and of course tasted very good (best Kaiserschmarrn). The service was always friendly and courteous, our drink was empty and we didn't have to wait a minute for the waiter to ask us if we wanted something else to drink. In general, the shop is recommended and always worth a visit. :)
Alina Schleich . 2024-07-22
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Roast pork was super tender. The crust is nice and crispy. Price-performance is right. Cozy beer garden.
Torsten Hohenreiter . 2024-07-22
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Great service, friendly and attentive, However, the food was better at the beginning of the 2023 takeover than it is today. Average Bavarian restaurant
Gero . 2024-07-22
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Wonderful food with good service. I recommend the roast pork to everyone. NT
DJ Andre Live . 2024-07-21
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a nice beer garden, nice selection on the menu. The service is friendly and nice. The price-performance ratio is right. All in all so nice that I'm looking forward to being in Munich again and going out to eat there too.
Brigitte Coco . 2024-07-19
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Nice restaurant with a good menu, food and service was very good.
Michael Zielke . 2024-07-18
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Great beer garden with great service and good food. For the children there is a playground with a rabbit enclosure. Simply ask the waitress for rabbit food and the children and rabbits will be happy.
Benjamin Thoma . 2024-07-17
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Super tasty food, great service, we would love to come back. Highly recommended👌🏼
Petra Wintermayr . 2024-07-16
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A rustic inn just as it should be!! With old and new rooms as well as a great beer garden!!
Stefan Osmak . 2024-07-14
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Even better than before. We like to remain loyal regular customers.
Erika Lang . 2024-07-13
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Great food. Price performance fits.
Markus P. . 2024-07-08
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We celebrated our wedding there in May and were more than thrilled. From the first email to our party, everything was perfect. We had an incredibly nice preliminary conversation with the tenant. She presented us with various options, all of which were implemented the way we wanted. The food was excellent and the service was attentive and very accommodating.
Katharina Waterloo . 2024-07-05
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We were there with 12 people and everything was perfect. We sat in the beer garden and the service and of course the food was great. If we are in Munich again we would like to come back.
Sascha Reichardt . 2024-06-24
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Good restaurant with rustic character. The food and beer were really very good. The roast pork is prepared in a comfortable time (not too fast and not too slow) so you can be sure that it is really fresh. The service was very, very nice and often asked if everything was okay. I'd love to go there again.
Ramon . 2024-06-23
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We ate there yesterday in a fairly large group. Food was amazing. Very large portions. We all wanted dessert, but unfortunately we had to leave it out because the main courses were really good portions. Service was very quick and attentive, extremely friendly. Happy to recommend again and again at any time.
Jana Splett . 2024-06-22
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Delicious food at humane prices (for Munich). Great beer garden
Frank Kaiser . 2024-06-22
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Nice and competent service, top food and a location where you enjoy staying.
Walter Ko . 2024-06-17
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A nice old cozy restaurant. The food was excellent - you can tell that they still cook with love and good products. The prices were a bit high - but the portions were really good. The service was quick but the service was a bit stuffy. We would be happy to come back at any time.
Silvia Büllesbach . 2024-06-16
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Quaint traditional inn with nice service and delicious food
Ulrich Geyer . 2024-06-12
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We were there yesterday (May 28th). It was very tasty and the service was very friendly. Food was very good. We would love to come back, especially because we can take our dog with us
Jennifer Haußmann . 2024-05-29
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Well, just halve the portion but don't adjust the prices...
R B . 2024-05-25
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Nice atmosphere, we'd love to come back.
Beata Gajàk . 2024-05-24
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Excellent Bay. Eating near the Würmtal. The interior is ok, just a classic economy.
Axel Gillert . 2024-05-19
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Excellent food, great service and decent portions, thank you for another great day with you
Martin Wenisch . 2024-05-19
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Delicious and baby friendly :) Kaiserschmarrn is great!
Vasya Pupkin . 2024-05-13
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Great food and service. The place is also very cozy. Good barrel beer "Great food and service. The place is also very cozy. Good draft beer." "Sehr gutes Essen und Service. Der Ort ist auch sehr gemütlich. Gutes Fassbier."
Gustavo Araújo . 2024-05-13
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Great service and very very tasty food!
Nicolai Föll . 2024-05-11
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Bland food, mini portions, but at hefty prices. Zander dry and mini, risotto unseasoned. A heap of leaf lettuce with goat cheese and ready-made sauce from the Asian snack bar for 15 euros. Unfortunately that was our last time here. The only bright spot was the super nice service, who was clearly embarrassed by the whole thing.
Ingo Wilhelm . 2024-05-10
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A very cozy, always full shop that serves really good Bavarian cuisine. From young to old, everything is there. Juppies as well as older people can find everything in traditional costume, suit, dress and jeans. Extra requests are fulfilled with a smile - any excess schnitzel or meat vegetables are happily given in aluminum foil. A restaurant in the south of Munich where it is worthwhile and definitely recommended to reserve a place.
Berit . 2024-05-10
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Good food and very nice atmosphere
Cassiopeia on Tour . 2024-05-08
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Good traditional inn just the way you want it.
Thomas Becher . 2024-04-29
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A great place with super service and delicious duck, which I sincerely recommend👌
Pavulon . 2024-04-25
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Fantastic food, super friendly staff, always a place available. Everything is just right here! Other restaurants should send their staff over for training... the long journey from Berlin was worth it again
Jan Mauersberger . 2024-04-23
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Even though the restaurant was very busy on Saturday evening, the service came quickly and, as always, in a good mood. The food was excellent. The portions filled us well.
MK W . 2024-04-21
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Delicious Cordon bleu and good gröstl. With it a helles and a spritz. Perfect for a sunny day!
Rikke Puggaard-Rode . 2024-04-19
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Friendly Bavarian restaurant with very good food and very friendly service. Everything fitted.
Bernd Stempfhuber . 2024-04-04
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Food and drink selection is good and the prices are reasonable for the Munich area. Staff friendly and accommodating. Restaurant was very clean and well maintained. Parking is available free of charge ! (Not particularly many but enough!!) A reservation can't hurt on Sundays and public holidays!!!
Sepp Loipfinger . 2024-04-03
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We ate here for the first time today. It was really very tasty. Our waiter was super friendly and very attentive. Great overall result here and would love to come back.
Jessica Leyerer . 2024-03-31
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Super tasty, always happy with the old innkeeper.
Flow Seven . 2024-03-28
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Super nice staff, quiet atmosphere, a nice evening.🙂
Attila Haffner . 2024-03-24
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Best roast pork and best Kaiserschmarrn in Munich ❤️
Li Na . 2024-03-24
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Since the change of tenant we have been going to the Alte Wirt very regularly again. Outstanding…! The quality of the food, the service, the waiting time: TIP TOP! There are professionals at work here!!!! Outstanding! Can be recommended to every potential guest without hesitation! My restaurant, your restaurant: here the Alte Wirt would be by far the front runner....!!!!
D MA . 2024-03-23
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Got a seat without a reservation, food and service very good. If we're in the area again, we'd love to come back.
Heike Krebs . 2024-03-15
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The Alte Wirt in Forstenrieder is always a worthwhile destination. The food is delicious, always fresh and everyone is open to small changes. The guest room and the adjoining rooms are cozy, rustic, Bavarian. There are so many dishes on the menu, which often makes it difficult to decide. We can definitely recommend the brewery steak, the roast pork with an extremely crispy crust and the cream mushrooms with bread dumplings. We always enjoy coming back. A reservation is recommended, but during the week in the early evening for two you can do without it.
Ina Pf . 2024-03-12
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Mega tender knuckle with a super crispy but not hard crust including delicious beer gravy and very nice service
Philipp Heyer . 2024-03-11
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Bavarian cuisine with fast service and large portions. I've been there several times since it reopened, I'll take photos next time ✅
Robert . 2024-03-11
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Very good food, friendly service, we would love to come back
Manuel Theißmann . 2024-03-04
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The Braumeister steak and the Hacker beer are a poem. Addition from today, salad with beef strips and apple kiachal 😎 again to kneel down on.
Flo Huschka . 2024-02-27
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Great service and very tasty food!
Marcel Leroux . 2024-02-25
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Great food, nice service, not exactly cheap in terms of price, but the quality of the food is good.
Rene Kasch . 2024-02-21
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We attended a wedding here and everything was perfect.
Helmut Wölfel . 2024-02-21
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As a guest at the "Alter Wirt" restaurant in Munich-Forstenried, I can say with confidence that the food here is excellent and the service is extremely friendly. An absolute recommendation for anyone who wants to experience real Bavarian hospitality and cuisine! We ate Munich schnitzel, pork knuckles and zander fillet and Kaiserschmarrn. We really enjoyed it.
Thomas W . 2024-02-18
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Visited several times after the reopening. GREAT!! Please keep it up
Peter K. . 2024-02-07
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We've been here several times before, but I think the owner has changed. The food was really excellent and the service was very attentive. If this standard remains, I would like to come back more often.
Nicolas . 2024-02-05
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“Eat good, everything good” A really gracious and clean restaurant. Onion roast, Kaiserschmarrn and co. were great, the service was super friendly and fast! Always happy again 😊
Carolin Kraus . 2024-01-29
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Very nice restaurant with super friendly service. The food is really delicious and the selection is varied. Excellently prepared and very good quality of the food. Price and performance great. We felt completely comfortable and will be back!☺️
david jambrošić . 2024-01-28
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Gutes bürgerliches Essen, Preis-Leistungsverhältnis okay.
Christian Boche . 2024-01-21
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Die Kellner waren immer da, ständige Nachfrage ob alles passt. Super liebe Leute. Das Essen war gut, leider hat man teilweise geschmeckt dass es nicht frisch war. Die Bratkartoffeln sind aufgewärmt. Preislich echt übel, aber liegt an München und der Inflation??? Man hofft es, denn ein Steak mit warm gemachten Bratkartoffeln für über 20 Euro zu verkaufen wäre dann doch nicht preiswert und gerechtfertigt. Aber das Personal hat überzeugt. Ihr seid ne tolle Gruppe und in bayrisch "sau griabig" Und sogar im Winter können die Kids draußen spielen und haben die Hasen vor der Nase und Spaß am Spielplatz! Da sog i nur... Suppa!
Lisa-Marie Müller . 2024-01-21
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Der Service ist Top! Werde immer freundlich und zuvorkommend bedient! Aber als Abholer verstehe ich nicht, warum ich am Ende genauso viel bezahlen soll, wie ein Gast vor Ort. Die 7% MWSt. für Abholer werden genauso berechnet, wie für die Gerichte im Restaurant. Dabei müsste doch der Endpreis geringer sein. Beispiel: 100 Euro = 119 Euro für den Gast, wenn im Restaurant gegessen wird. 100 Euro = 107 Euro für Mahlzeiten ausser Haus, also für Abholer. Soweit die Theorie Der Alte Wirt berechnet jedoch auch für Abholer 119 Euro, d.h. er verdient damit ca. 4.21 Euro mehr! Es wird einem Abholer somit ein höherer Nettopreis in Rechnung gestellt. Brutto sind es sogar 12 Euro! Für mich völlig unverständlich und nicht nachvollziehbar! Sehr schade, dass dafür völlig das Verständnis fehlt!
Udo Smesovsky . 2024-01-19
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Seit der Neueröffnung im Juli 2023 eine tolle bayrische Gaststätte für alle. Gute bayrische Küche, nettes Service-Personal und das Ambiente passt auch sehr gut!
Christian Dressler . 2024-01-14
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Essen gut, Personal sehr freundlich jederzeit wieder
Therese Kasper . 2024-01-14
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Sehr gute klassische Küche, aber auch Exoten wie ein Thai Curry kann man hier gut essen. Super freundliches Personal.
Oliver M. . 2024-01-09
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Normalerweise 10 Sterne wert. Das Schnitzel vom Kalb mit Bratkartoffeln war wie ein Gedicht und das Dessert ein Paradies. Das Personal war sehr aufmerksam, zuvorkommend und freundlich. Auf jeden Fall ein Besuch wert. Kommen gerne wieder 😊
Anthony Visalli . 2024-01-07
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Habe nichts bezahlt war eingeladen
Heidi Krinner . 2024-01-06
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Wir waren im Dezember bei einer Geburtstagsfeier da. Der Service und das Essen waren einfach nur toll. Sehr gerne kommen wir wieder.
Sabine Mall . 2024-01-04
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Sehr gutes Essen, sehr gute Organisation, Atmosphäre
Ulrich Steiner . 2024-01-02
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Essen war gut, Service top, sogar an Weihnachten flexibel reagiert. Klare Empfehlung
Harry Brennstuhl . 2023-12-30
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Gutes Essen,gute Portionen,fairer Preis,Service top 👍👍👍
MAV1 FARM . 2023-12-30
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Echt lecker essen und nette Kellner
Maximilian Freytag . 2023-12-29
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Tolles Essen und nette Bedienung. Wir waren ungefähr 40 Leute und die Kellnerin hatte alles unter Kontrolle
Rubén Robles . 2023-12-25
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Essen war recht gut. Bedienung waren wir sehr zufrieden. Kaiserschmarrn, war ohne Kaiser. Es war zwar sehr viel, aber bescheiden im Geschmack. Höhe 8 cm, ohne Rosinen und null karamelisiert. Ein leider missglückten Kuchen und das nach einer Wartezeit von einer Stunde. Der Nebentisch hatte Glück, nach unserem Gemecker, flacher und viel Rosinen.
Brigitte Basel . 2023-12-24
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Urig, gemütlich, Service ist perfekt. Im Sommer super Biergarten.
Gebhard Winkler . 2023-12-23
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Ein typisches bayrisches Restaurant mit gemütlichem Ambiente. Eine sehr aufmerksame Bedienung und ein frisches Bier runden den Besuch ab. Das Essen war guter Standard.
Holger Küster . 2023-12-22
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Excellent food best of the best. Pleas go
Herr. Saldivar . 2023-12-19
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Endlich wieder gerne im alten wirt. Das Essen ist lecker und der Service prima.
Dolinda Küster . 2023-12-17
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Hier waren wir spontan essen und das war eine sehr gute Entscheidung: das Essen war sehr, sehr lecker, die Bedienung freundlich und aufmerksam, die Preise angemessen und das Ambiente gemütlich. Es hat also wirklich alles perfekt gepasst - wir kommen ganz bestimmt wieder!
Tatjana Weile . 2023-12-17
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Alteingesessenes Badisches lokal mit schönen Räumlichkeiten. Von traditionellen bis modernen Speisen alles dabei. Auch Auswahl für Vegetarier/Veganer. Service super, geschmacklich top und Preise auch fair.
C. B. . 2023-12-13
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Hat mir schon immer gut gefallen.
Thomas Riedel . 2023-12-12
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Geniales Essen zum fairen Preis
Claudia W (CW) . 2023-12-09
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Einfach nur Spitze .....hoffentlich bleibt es so :) Ente war total lecker und alle anderen Gerichte auch. TOP!!!
H. M.H . 2023-12-07
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Waren abends zum Geburtstag eingeladen. 3 Leute bestellten Schweinekrustenbraten ,muss wohl von Mittag übrig geblieben sein. Die Knödel warnen wohl von einen Tag vorher. Das war kein Paniertes Schnitzel das war ohne Gewürz einfach Geschmack los.
Kathleen Schüppler . 2023-12-07
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Sehr gutes Essen, aufmerksamer Service und bayrische Gemütlichkeit!!! Ich kann dieses Wirtshaus nur bestens empfehlen!
oliver hardt . 2023-12-07
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Frischer Wind in Forstenried.. Gut, freundlich und eine ansprechende Karte mit humanen Preisen. Weiter so..
Reisetips . 2023-12-06
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Leckeres Essen, gute wechselde Bedienung, sehr voll.
Regina Chmiel . 2023-12-05
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In der frisch renovierten bayerischen Wirtschaft wird nicht nur das Holz poliert, sondern auch die Bedienung! Hier wird jeder Gast mit so viel Herzlichkeit empfangen, dass selbst das Schnitzel vor Freude hüpft. Prost auf gute Laune und ein sauberes Wirtshaus!
Jo legrandjo . 2023-12-03
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Klasse Ambiente, gutes Essen mit netter Bedienung
Jörg Werner . 2023-12-02
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Ich war zuletzt vor der Renovierung im ALTEN WIRT und bin sehr angetan. Ambiente sehr gut, Essen gut und das Personal sehr nett und kompetent ! Wir kommen sehr gerne wieder!
Karl-Heinz Hoecht . 2023-12-01
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Sehr Gutes Essen,sehr netter Service.
Christine Schmutzer . 2023-11-30
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