Cucina delle Grazie in Frankfurt am Main

Prices appropriate for Frankfurt Old Town and very good food. Not only in taste but also in presentation 😁

Unfortunately, despite the wonderful ambience, there are a few things that don't fit here. It was noted several times by the waitress that you were vegetarian and you were then served an appetizer garnished with fish sauce. Unfortunately the goat cheese was missing from the salad. The bread served was excellent. Unfortunately, the selection of vegetarian dishes leaves a lot to be desired. When asked, dishes with pork cheek etc. were listed that could simply be left out (discount...? Unlikely, but not asked).

Today Carbonara 🍝was judged, and let me tell you - its delicious and authentic👌🇮🇹No cream & bacon trash. Thank you Francesco! 👨‍🍳🔥Great cooking. Next time tiramissu…🧁☕️

Very good food. Top service. Interior is not that comfortable.

An unforgettable lunch and dinner… Cucina delle Grazie in Frankfurt is an authentic culinary jewel that deserves to be discovered. Upon entering the restaurant, you are greeted by a warm and welcoming atmosphere. The menu is a celebration of Italian gastronomic tradition, with dishes prepared using fresh, high-quality ingredients. But what makes Cucina delle Grazie truly special is the hospitality of the staff, attentive and friendly, ready to provide advice on dishes and make every guest feel at ease. This combination of extraordinary food and impeccable service creates an unforgettable dining experience. The chef is a true artist of Italian gastronomy. His passion for cooking shines through in every dish, where tradition and innovation meet in perfect balance. Cucina delle Grazie is a restaurant that enchants the palate and warms the heart. If you are in Frankfurt you cannot miss this gastronomic opportunity.

Always beautiful. Absolutely recommended with a good price-performance ratio. The food and drinks are delicious, the staff is always attentive, friendly and approachable. That's how it should be. On top of that, the parking garage is just around the corner.

Excellent food. Unfortunately a bit noisy when fully occupied.

Leider haben wir noch nie eine so schlechte italienische Vorspeise gegessen. Gekochtes Ei mit Senf? Mortadella war in sehr dicke Scheiben geschnitten und schmeckte leider auch nicht. Fazit: sehr unitalienisch und keinen Appetit auf eine Hauptspeise….

Very good restaurant! But you should definitely reserve a table here

Wonderful food - starters mains & dessert with courteous warm service Worth visiting

The evening spent in this restaurant, more than a dinner, I would define it as a sensorial journey. There are rare occasions when you eat so well, even in Italy. Refinement of the ingredients, art in the transformation and care in the plating are the protagonists together with an attentive and kind service. It will certainly be a fixed stop when returning to Frankfurt. Truly CONGRATULATIONS!

Affordable menu of the day price but very expensive drinks and dessert and the main dish from the regular menu.

I had such a great time. The location is next to the cathedral. The food was excellent, but it was the attentive customer service that made it such a wonderful experience. I came for a glass of wine and ended up ordering an appetiser, coffee and dessert. So delicious! This is now my favorite restaurant in Germany. Thank you.

This restaurant is situated beside Frankfurt Cathedral. Both myself and hubby have just had the loveliest evening meal there. The menu is Italian and very appetizing. The staff are attentive and very friendly. Would highly recommend a visit after a day touring the old town.

My husband and I dined at Cucina delle Grazie tonight. It is in a very pleasant area. I had a delicious Chicken salad which was perfect as I wanted something light. There were many other options on the menu. The service was amazing. We were served by Raffael and a lovely young waitress. I highly recommend this restaurant

We ordered a bottle of still water and got filled tap water and a bottle for €5.90. Palma Still. Various factors such as taste and incorrect opening indicate this. We were cheated here. The location doesn't hold up the store otherwise. Tourist rip off. We took a sample with us for the trade office. After our complaint, the waitress went to the boss. He then went out of our way to wipe tables outside. This is how an innocent person behaves. We already noticed from the reaction of the waiters that something was wrong. Or is it just the employees who then put the surplus into their own pockets in the evening and the boss knows nothing about it. ? The one star is for the location. The rest is better canteen.

Great ambiance, flavor, and location. 4/5 stars for food only because we saw bugs … these need to be addressed, even if they’re harmless.

Very busy place...it seems to ask for a stop...soda...beer...or coffee

Tolle Lage am Dom Leckere, original italienische Speisen.wir hatten die schwarzen Tagliolini, Gnocchi mit Auberginen und Cannelloni mit Ricotta und Spinat Füllung. Alles sehr empfehlungswert. Super Espresso wie er sein soll.

Tolles kleines Lokal mit schnellem, sehr netten Service und sehr sehr guten Essen!! Auch preislich für die Lage und das Niveau absolut zu empfehlen. Einrichtung ist sehr schlicht (eher Bistroartig) und passt gefühlt nicht recht zu dem so hochwertigen Essen, aber das ist sicher auch Geschmacksache. Nur das Jever sollte gegen Binding getauscht werden 😅

I had a late lunch here during a long layover in Frankfurt. The food was AMAZING. I had a glass of white German wine, which was delicious (and this is a lot coming from someone who has spent most of her life in the Napa Valley, California)! I also had the gnocci, which was absolutely succlent. So soft and pillowy with perfect flavors. The bread was delicious too. The waitstaff were friendly and attentive and the food was just amazing. The view of the cathedral right in front of the restaurant made for great ambiance.

Discovered when viewing the cathedral. Lovely Italian restaurant. The food was freshly prepared and also done lovely coffee. If you’re looking for fresh Italian food I’d recommend. The staff were also lovely!

We are very kind customers, I never give a bad review in my life. This is the first time. The waitress was very nice, but her manager was extremely rude. The place was 1/2 occupied. And he informed us in a very arrogant way they wont take the order due to crowd for the next 30 minutes. Not even for a drinks. And it was just three of us. It never happened to us before and we travel a lot.

I asked for a beer and it was warm, and an iced coffee which was really bad. And those 2 things for 12 euros…

I appreciate every job but I don't pay 25 euros for a schnitzel - the prices are too overpriced

If you go to an Italian restaurant in the hotspots in Rome or Florence, you are likely to be “ripped off”. Things are completely different here in this beautiful square in front of the cathedral! There is top-class cuisine and attentive, very hospitable staff. The menu is clear, pasta as well as desserts and cakes are homemade; everything is fresh and wholesome. But the “Frankfurt prices” are very fair - especially at this tourist attraction in the new old town. A foreign guest (probably with an American accent) asked us where “Kennedy Place” was, “the government building”. It took a while until we realized that JFK was a guest at the Römer in June 1963... Enough rambling… we had yesterday Spaghetti all'Arrabbiata (€14.90) Pork neck steak with eggplant and tomato confit (€22.90) Heavenly pannacotta with pear and lemon compote (€7.50) Espresso (€2.40) I have previously praised the Sion-Kölsch (€3.10) and the Bischof Riesling (€4.90 for a well-poured 0.1 l) here. The Pinot Blanc (€6.50 for 0.2 l) is also worthwhile.

Es schmeckt hier noch immer sehr gut; eine wirkliche Empfehlung neben dem Dom. Abstriche muss man allerdings im Bereich Freundlichkeit machen; das hat nachgelassen. Leider

The look of the place was amazing. And the service really fast, the staff very kind

Great location of the terrace in front of the dom. Fast service and smiling staff. Too bad the risotto wasn't good. Successful tiramisu.

One of the few restaurants where professionalism is valued!!!

The food is delicious, the staff is helpful

Modern looking restaurant next to the Dom. I had an excellent spaghetti with asparagus, red onion and guanciale. Pasta was al dente and the asparagus was sweet and balanced the salty pork - delicious! My wife had potato gnocchi with a nice tomato based sauce but the gnocchi were a bit stodgy. Our friend had a very large prawn salad, very fresh and tasty. Washed down with a good dry Pino Grigio. The service was ordinary and there was an 'unfortunate' (?) mix up with the bill, being charged too much. Perhaps she thought tourists can't read a German rechnung?

Food and service was top notch. Food and drinks were brought out promptly and staff were efficient and friendly.

Very friendly, very tasty and inexpensive

A very beautiful place, nice service (great staff effort to receive tourists in English). It accepts cash and cards (regard that not all restaurants and cafes in Domer take cards and some of them only have menu in Germany). Delicatessen was great

Good food and very nice service. Lots of windows on all sides. You have to get used to it.

A beautiful place for a restaurant. Delicious espresso. Friendly service. Payment by electronic card is possible.

We had a quick coffee, everything was good, friendly and appropriate. thank you very much

One of the few addresses in downtown Frankfurt where you can still get something good to eat even late at night (after a concert or something similar). The staff is attentive and friendly; the menu is not very extensive, but with fine things; The quality of the food and wine is very good and the price-performance ratio is fair. The only negative point (if it bothers you) is the acoustics of the guest room - when it's full, communication is difficult.

The service was hard, the food wasn't really tasty (super hard chicken breast), the salad was drowned in oil and the paste was unfortunately only of so-so quality. The sanitary facilities are a disaster! All in all, not really recommended for the price.

Nice place, beautiful location near the cathedral and very kind staff but insufficient for the number of tables. They had the food after half an hour and after an hour and 10 minutes. Quite expensive considering the dishes chosen and the wait. (2 tomato purées and 2 gnocchi) We would have preferred them to warn us that they were too full or directed towards a faster menu

Difficult to book a table for a large group during the exhibition on the weekend & this place accepted our booking after trying many others. A mixed group including vegetarians made more difficult but there is plenty of choice on the menu here. Our group kept expanding but the restaurant accepted them all even though full. Have to say the food was excellent - all of the dishes very good & price reasonable. The service on the other hand was extremely slow - almost 3 hours to complete or dinner of just 2 courses. Price also reasonable for the quality

Sehr zu empfehlen sagt schon alles. Immer wieder gerne.

Tolle Bedienung, leckeres Essen, super Ambiente. Ich würde gerne sogar 6 Sterne geben!

Haben das Tagesmenü gegessen, War alles lecker und frisch. Wir sind sehr freundlich und zuvorkommend bedient worden. Das Essen war schön arrangiert,der Raum hat etwas von einer Kantine,aber es fühlt sich trotzdem gut an. Kommen gerne wieder.

My wife and I tried to get in with 2 kids. While waiting to be seated, a group of 4 adults were welcomed in ahead of us. Then we were told they had a booking. Next, we were told that drinks and desert are not enough to get a table. Therefore, we had to walk out. Very rude person and a bad experience for us and our kids.

Consigliatissimo per tutti in particolare italiani che hanno voglia di un primo Italiano. Abbiamo preso fettuccine e gnocchi fatti in casa da loro e si sentiva. Personale gentilissimo e in parte italiano. Prezzi nella norma.

Great lunch menu. Affordable prices. Service was great. Great atmospheres. Loved it.

Fun restaurant in the middle of new old town attractions. Very interesting, mostly pasta menu, plus great drink menu. The food was just OK, however the pres soup was the best I've ever had. But the servings were nice and big. There aren't a lot of other lunch places around there, so this is a decent choice.

One of the strongest beers I’ve ever had was here. The service was pretty nice and pleasing actually, from the friendly and smiling employee meeting us at the door and following us to our table, to polite and attentive waiters working at our table. It was a bit loud in there.

Ein sehr beliebtes Restaurant mitten in Frankfurt am Main, nähe des Römerplatzes und direkt neben dem Dom. Wir waren bei einer Film Vorstellung im Haus am Dom und haben wieder einen Tisch für 2 im vollen Restaurant bekommen. Unsere Bedienung war wie immer freundlich und zuvorkommend, das Essen von guter Qualität und Preise sind auch im normalen Bereich. Vielen Dank und viel Erfolg!

Ein Lokal,wo man sich eher wie ein Störfaktor vorkommt, kann ich nicht empfehlen

La comida ha sido correcta, nada fuera de lo común, el servicio rápido y el ambiente agradable. /

Very good italian restaurant close to the cathedral; nice view and location, good food, excellent service.

Güzel bir kafe. Ben yiyeceklerini tatlılarını çok ekstra lezzetli bulmadım. Atmosfer güzeldi. Kahveler güzeldi. Çocuklar icin sıcak çikolata çok şekerliydi.

Trockener Kuchen und super unfreundliches Personal. Die Lage ist halt gut.

Personnel attentionné - service rapide - pâtes cuite aldente - nickel Salle un peu austère - limite droite - pourrait mettre quelques affiches d’Italie

War mit einem Bekannten dort am 26.10.2023. Sehr nettes Restaurant, schönes Ambiente, toller Name des Restaurants, sehr nette Bedienung, vor allem sehr aufmerksam und das ist nicht selbstverständlich. Das Essen war sehr gut und sehr appetitlich. Es war mit Sicherheit nicht das letzte Mal, dass ich zu Besuch war.

zufällig bei einem spaziergang durch die innenstadt hier gelandet und ohne reservierung einen platz bekommen (würde aber eine reservierung empfehlen, es war schnell voll) sehr nette bedienung, man bekommt vor dem essen eine kleine komplementäre vorspeise aus der küche das essen war perfekt, ganz frisch und sehr fein! das tiramisu war auch köstlich, sehr zu empfehlen das ambiente ist schön, mit großen fenstern, blick auf den dom und die fußgängerzone wir kommen gern wieder!

Le cadre: 2/5 L' accueil et le service: 4/5 Le repas: 4/5 Les tarifs: 4/5 Dommage que la salle de restaurant soit si peu agréable mais c'est un ressenti personnel !

Wir erlebten dort eine wundervolle Hochzeit.

Sehr gut gelegenes Restaurant. Direkt am Dom. Der Service sehr bemüht.

Vorzügliche Pizzen, freundliches Personal und tolle Location. Gerne wieder.

Food was very good, and the waiter very nice

Excellent meal, great service. The Veal Scallopino was amazing.

Lindo restaurant frente a la catedral. Buena atención, platos ricos y abundantes.

Ein sehr empfehlenswertes Lokal in sehr schöner Lage, direkt am Dom. Das Essen ist sehr gut, das Presis-Leistungsverhältnis stimmt, und die Atmosphäre ist sehr einladend. Besonders erwähnenswert ist der ausgezeichnete und effektive Service. Besonders Basilio liest den Gästen jeden Wunsch förmlich von den Augen ab, ist höflich, ausgesprochen aufmerksam und immer mit 100% im Einsatz. Dabei hat er immer Zeit für einen Scherz und ein Lächeln für seine Gäste. Das gesamte Team ist gut eingespielt und alle helfen mit, dass man sich hier ausgesprochen willkommen fühlt.

Guter Italiener, nettes Service

Great staff! We stopped in for a quick visit and the staff were incredibly accommodating. Would visit again

Schönes barrierefreies Restaurant. Sehr leckeres Essen und freundliche Mitarbeiter*Innen. Auch ein barrierefreies WC ist vorhanden.

Touristennepp! Haben hausgemachte Suppen bestellt- Tomatensuppe Arrabiata und Minestrone. Die Tomatensuppe schmeckte wie eine fertige Tomatensauce aus dem Glas, etwas verlängert. Die Minestrone bestand aus einer labberigen Brühe mit Tiefkühl- Kaisergemüsemischung, nachträglich dazugegügt. Dafür EUR 9,50 pro Teller! Fazit: auch in Touristenhotspots sollte ordentliches Essen serviert werden! Die Bedienung bekommt 5 Punkte - sehr freundlich!

Nicely located Italian restaurant with selective menu. Food was well prepared. There was almost 40 mins of waiting time between ordering to being served, each course (all food was ordered in the beginning) despite the restaurant having literally two other tables with guests. The waitress serving us was quite rude, other staff was nice and polite. Not recommended.

Portionen sind übersichtlich, geschmacklich italienerdurchschnitt. Tomatensauce auf den Cannelloni war absolut zu sauer. Bedienung war freundlich.

Sehr schönes Restaurant mit gutem Essen. Die Preise sind sehr fair. Sehr zu empfehlen.

Prima gerechten, restaurant is een glazen, hel verlicht gebouw, dat komt niet zo gezellig over.

Nachdem wir als Familie schon nach der Taufe im Herbst 2021 dorthin eingeladen wurden, war es das Zusammen sein mit Essen nach der standesamtlichen Hochzeit am Römer am gestrigen Montag. Das Essen war sehr lecker und ebenso der Service vorzüglich.

Good service and lovely food although I chose a salad as a lighter option and it was huge!! I would describe as ‘simple’ ingredients cooked well.

Trovato per caso andando a visitare il duomo, un bel locale davvero, servizio impeccabile, il cibo buono e particolare, siamo rimasti tutti contenti della nostra scelta. Mi permetto di consigliare l’antipasto misto e la pasta fatta in casa. Prezzo adeguato, purtroppo in Germania l’acqua costa più della coca cola ma è così in tutti i locali.

Creo que ha sido en el mejor sitio donde hemos comido en Frankfurt. Pasta bien elaborada y buen sabor, con mucha variedad. Lo único, que ponen poca cantidad. Tienes que pedir casi 2 platos por persona. Tienen postres caseros buenos después, lo único que te puede salvar a no salir con hambre. Camareros atentos en todo momento.

Ich war hier früher schon einmal und muss sagen, die Qualität des Essens hat nachgelassen. Dabei war sie mal so gut. Das Essen war auch nicht besonders heiß. Aber man sitzt da sehr schön mit Blick auf den Dom.

Am Domplatz, gleich zu den Füßen des Frankfurter Dom's, Italienische Küche, ohne Pizza, hier bekommt man hausgemachte herrliche Pasta variationen und weitere leckere Gerichte! Das Team, aufmerksam und sehr freundlich 👍

Hausherr ist übrigens der Bischof von Limburg. Das Lokal gehört zu einem sehr großen Gebäudekomplex des Bistums Limburg, das sich "Haus am Dom" nennt. Pächter ist Signore Fiorentino. Der Italiener profitiert natürlich immens von der Lage und vom Tourismus, aber auch von Arbeitnehmer*innen der Innenstadt, die einen schnellen Lunch haben möchten. Darauf ist die Karte mittags in erster Linie ausgerichtet. Es ist daher auch keine große kulinarische Finesse zu erwarten. Abends mag die Sache anders aussehen, doch das kann ich nicht beurteilen. Schnell geht es aber dann leider doch nicht. Okay, wir waren eine größere Gruppe und da mag es sein, dass darauf geachtet wurde, alle Essen recht zeitgleich zu servieren, doch Wartezeit hatten wir und das obwohl der weitere Betrieb im Lokal moderat war. Die Portionen waren - ausgenommen die Salate - sehr überschaubar, um nicht zu sagen eher klein. Die Preise waren dafür leider etwas zu hoch. Geschmacklich lag man auch nur im Mittelfeld. Es war nichts Besonderes, leider. Der Service war weitgehend aufmerksam und freundlich. Das Ambiente ist sehr modern und kühl, schwierig wird es jedoch bei Personen mit Behinderungen. Der Eingang geht über eine Schwelle (wir wurden über den Außenbereich eingelassen), das geht gerade noch so. Die Toiletten jedoch sind im Untergeschoss und das ist nur über eine steile Treppe erreichbar. Ich vermute, dass es auf Anfrage möglich ist, eine Behinderten-gerechte Toilette im angrenzenden Haus am Dom (große Veranstaltungsräume) zu nutzen. Das scheint mir aber recht umständlich, sorry. Alles in allem war mir das Ganze zu uneinheitlich, das Konzept schwammig. Man möchte, so mein Eindruck, möglichst alles an Geschäft mitnehmen und so viel wie möglich vom Rahm abschöpfen, doch das scheint ein bisschen auf Kosten der Qualität und der Stimmigkeit zu gehen. Die Lage ist - wie gesagt - einmalig gut, doch genau das scheint auch die Crux an der Sache zu sein. Ich kann nur eine bedingte Empfehlung aussprechen. Vielleicht gestaltet es sich ja für den Gast am Abend anders?

The best italian resturant in Frankfurt ❤️❤️

An out standing restaurant with great service and delicious food. I strongly recommend it for Italian food lovers, the bread served is very tasty. Staff are really friendly and helpful. One of the best Italian restaurants in town that I have eaten at. Price is reasonable. I strongly advise you to give a visit.

Sehr guter und moderner Italiener. Guter Mittagstisch zu angemessenPreisen. Der Service ist ausgesprochen freundlich und engagiert.

Top Mittagsmenü MO-SA mit sehr gutem Preis Leistungsverhältnis. Essen sehr gut mit hausgemachter Pasta. Eine kleine Karte ist immer ein gutes Zeichen. Sehr netter und aufmerksamer Service. Wir waren top zufrieden und kommen wieder.

Vorspeise und Desert tadellos, preislich angemessen, nichts auszusetzen, angeneh, überrascht (kl italien. Vorspeisenteller, Salat mit Gambas, Windbeutel mit Creme Cahntilly und Panna Cotta mit Zitrone-Birne Parfai) Aber die beidne Hauptgerichte haben doch unangenhem überrascht Gnocchietti, die zerkocht waren, ohne Deko in heller Suace mit zwiebelfleisch(das war lecker9 serviert. Die kleinen Klöße klebten am Gaumen wie Zement. Die mit Kürbis gefüllten Nudeltaschen, waren ok aber nicht lecker, nicht yumm yumm. Sie kamen ohne Pfiff, ohne Deko einfach auf den weißen Teller geklatscht daher, Sie schmeckten nach Kürbis und Nudel. Na ja. Ach ja es gab noch eine weiße Gorgonzolasauce obendrauf (zu wenig) und wo waren noch mal die Walnüsse? Ohne Alkohol dann ein Bon über 85 Euro. Der Service war EXTREEM locker und wusste oft nicht wer jetzt an unserem Tisch (es war nicht brechend voll) schon was aufgenommen hatte. Der alkoholfreie Drink kam mit zu wenig Eis (bei einer riesigen und unüberhörbaren Bar) und war lieblos ineinander gekippter Sanbitter mit etwas Soda. Deko ? nicht nötig. Keine Tischdecken, Steinfußboden, dafür aber Stoffserviette, keine Blume, keine Kerze, keine Stuhlkissen auf sehr harten Hartplastikstühlen. Auf den Bänken gab es dann als wir gingen Kissen. Fürs Frühstück?

Ambiente agradável e super bem localizado, pertinho da praça principal. Boa variedade e atendimento bem simpático. É necessário fazer reserva, mas é bem simples de fazer pelo site, nós reservamos no dia mesmo.

Ein. Sehr nettes italienisches Restaurant direkt am Dom, auch mit Tischen am Gehweg, freundliches Personal, wir haben dort gute Ciabattas genossen

Davvero consigliato! Siamo arrivati qui per caso, data la posizione centralissima, ma abbiamo fatto un‘ottima scelta. Cibo divino e servizio attento. Consigliato!!

Super slow service 1h20 just to receive our order (salad, frikadelas and bread), average food not the best, customer service regular in my opinion, there are better options close in the zone, I will never come back.

Wir waren in diesem gut besuchten Restaurant zum schnellen Lunch und fanden nettes Ambiente, freundliche Bedienung und gute Essen

Not cheap but I was invited so I didnt bother much. Tortellinis were tasty. Nice salad too. Litte hidden in the Old Town.

Ok but overpriced food. Vegetarian food was delicious but octobus psta and schrimb tortellinis average. Slow service.

I cannot believe that five people gave this a zero or one rating. I respect that this is there opinion, but I cannot see how that is possible. You will see that form my photos alone, this place knows how to cook and present food. Yes, the location is perfect. It is right off the main square and near the gorgeous cathedral. However, I am here to talk about how great their food is. I started off with the pumpkin soup with broccoli and gorgonzola fondue. It was exquisite. My wife ordered the fettucine cooked in a pumpkin puree with sausage ragout. She is a very picky meat eater, but she devoured the entire portion, which was a sizable amount. I opted for the perfectly roasted octopus in a violet potato puree with Roman cauliflower. The presentation alone was breathtaking. Further, the serving of octopus was plenty so I could share this heavenly feast with my wife. We both had two glasses of Chardonnay. My wife decided to treat herself to a dessert too. She ordered the panna cotta with apple and pear shavings. I can honestly say this was one of the best meals I have eaten in my two years in Germany. You must give this a try!

I had breakfast there twice during my short visit in Frankfurt. Delicious food and coffee, very nice atmosphere but most of all excellent service. Strongly recommended.

After all the visits of the museums and locations you are happy to get a seat at the Italian restaurant.Friendly service, fresh food , kitchen is good.

We visited for a late lunch on Sunday. In these difficult times, all social distancing rules maintained. The staff friendly and welcoming. All the pasta is homemade. Authentic and quite inventive cuisine. My partner had Gnocchi with Octopus and I opted for Spaghetti with Duck Ragout and Green Asparagus. Great choices both. Decent prices and an interesting location right next to the Dom.

Delicious food in nice surroundings - a bit away from usual tourist traps - a must visit! A creative twist on traditional italian dishes

The location is awesome, directly in front of the cathedral, close to the city center and the Main. The food was great, the prices were also ok in my opinion for what we had