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Basierend auf 1.460 Bewertungen gefunden auf 2 Websites
Nº 430 unter 945 unter Leipzig
Nº 7 von 13 Türkisches Restaurant unter Leipzig
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We didn't eat here, so I can't say anything about it, ambience, service and coffee were very good
claudia s . 2025-06-08
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His sitting is very comfortable
sara na3ora . 2025-06-04
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The food was very tasty, but the portion sizes weren't cheap at all. I ordered the siş kebab and got a huge plate, but with a small portion of rice and two tiny skewers of meat.
Saadatullah Nezami . 2025-05-29
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We couldn’t even try the food because the service was absolutely terrible. We waited for 40 minutes and still hadn’t received anything, so we ended up canceling our order. The restaurant wasn’t even full, so I can’t understand why it took so long. The only reason I’m giving this place 2 stars is because they at least didn’t charge for the ayran. Otherwise, this was a total disappointment.
Marius . 2025-05-25
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We had reserved a table specifically for this occasion and were looking forward to the Turkish cuisine. Initially, we were given a nice table by the window upon request. When we were seated, another employee told us we couldn't sit there because it was reserved. We then went upstairs. During the entire time, no group or family came to the table! We were served upstairs until the food was ready, after which we were allowed to sit. A special request was not fulfilled. The food wasn't bad, but it wasn't typically Turkish. We were very annoyed by the behavior and will therefore not be returning.
Daniela Ketzscher . 2025-05-22
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Slightly overwhelmed or not enough staff. We had to wait half an hour for the memory card. We only had a hot chocolate, which was surprisingly quick. However, it was cocoa, not a proper hot chocolate. We asked for the bill straight away and were told to wait a moment, it would be right there. However, it also took 20 minutes for us to pay.
Maria Pribacic . 2025-05-20
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Very nice Turkish restaurant. The service and food were very tasty and good. Excellent value for money.
Manu . 2025-05-18
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Pleasant ambiance, friendly service, and delicious food. The homemade cakes are especially recommended. 🍰
Stefan Lippmann . 2025-05-18
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Maschallah Top Top Top I come from Frankfurt am Main, it's my first time here and now I know where I can eat well in Leipzig
Semir Bulic . 2025-05-17
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5 stars! A true gem in the heart of Leipzig! The food was fresh, authentic, and incredibly delicious – the grilled dishes and the pistachio dessert were particularly outstanding. The service was attentive and friendly, and the atmosphere was very pleasant. I highly recommend this Turkish restaurant to anyone who appreciates quality and hospitality. I will definitely be back!
ali emre özdemir . 2025-05-15
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We went to Schiller for breakfast on Mother's Day and we were absolutely thrilled. Friendly service and excellent service, great ambience and incredibly delicious food. We felt like we were on vacation. We would be happy to come here again.
Christoph Marche . 2025-05-11
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Nice spacious coffee cafe. Feels like a luxury conditorei. With a surprising card. Delicious cakes influenced by Turkish cuisine.
Marianne Noordanus . 2025-05-08
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Service very attentive and friendly. Food tasted very good, portions could have been a little larger. You can sit both indoors and outdoors. I would go again
J S . 2025-05-04
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Asked for double espresso, got disolved nescafe.
Stanislav Rejchrt . 2025-04-24
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Coffee and cake selection top! 👍🏼
Mary M. . 2025-04-22
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Great employees who are super nice, the food is extremely tasty and there is almost everything you can imagine.
Jakob Heckner . 2025-04-19
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Absolutely recommended! Very nice, attentive service, good Turkish food, attractive atmosphere. No alcoholic drinks - a bit unusual for us at dinner.
Barbara . 2025-04-18
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We had cake and coffee. Something wasn't right, I had severe nausea afterwards with unpleasant consequences. It's a shame, service was friendly, the atmosphere was also very nice.
Ute Barth . 2025-04-16
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Öneri üzeri gittim çok memnun kaldım serpme kahvaltı spariş ettik çok lezzetliydi ayrıca garsonları çok cana yakındı
Companion32030853645 . 2025-04-08
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Alcohol-free restaurant with great food (sweet and savory) at affordable prices. Service 1a. Highly recommended!
Norbert Rentsch . 2025-04-08
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Very tasty food and friendly service
Last Perfect Lappen . 2025-04-04
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Went here because of the good reviews. We ordered coffee and cake. The coffee was good, but the two pieces of cake looked beautiful, but were completely frozen inside
Melanie K . 2025-03-29
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The food and desserts are delicious and the waiters are extremely friendly. I can definitely recommend it!
Mahshid Memar . 2025-03-29
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Wonderful conditions, delicious food I can even suggest these 🌺
Halime Uzun Bağmancı . 2025-03-28
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We had a wonderful iftar at this lovely Turkish restaurant. They kindly brought us dates to break our fast, and tea was offered on the house. The soup was absolutely delicious, and the pide with diced meat (kuşbaşı) was full of flavor and perfectly baked. A heartfelt thank you to the owner for their warm hospitality and kindness. We truly appreciated the welcoming atmosphere and thoughtful service.
Esra SONUVAR . 2025-03-28
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Very tasty Turkish restaurant in Leipzig. The name of the restaurant "Schiller" actually doesn't fit the Turkish restaurant. Didn't have any alcoholic drinks but it didn't bother me. Otherwise highly recommended. Always my pleasure
Joachim Bernhardt . 2025-03-27
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Very great and delicious restaurant Including very friendly staff!
Privat . 2025-03-23
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Unfortunately we were a bit disappointed. We had reserved and when we arrived all the seats downstairs were occupied or not yet cleared. We can sit somewhere. We're up. Food came quickly. After that we didn't let ourselves be seen any further up; we had to go down again when we wanted to have a drink. We had breakfast for 2 - there were three of us and we expanded it to include one person. Unfortunately we were disappointed. Turkish cuisine offers much more than what we got. Too much “German” there and I could have gone somewhere else. The bread could also be served a bit was. So to speak, it was just ok but not enough to come back again. It's a shame because Turkish cuisine is really delicious
Doreen Molnar . 2025-03-13
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The food was wonderful and the service was also top notch.
Ralf Mylius . 2025-03-10
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Since authentic Turkish cuisine is rather rare in Saxony, a clear vote for a visit here. Very tasty and lovingly prepared. The cakes are a hit!! You can also take it with you if you can't eat anything after the rich meal 😀
Cornelia Skibbe . 2025-03-08
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We were treated very friendly and attentively. The food was fantastic!
Elke Habermeier . 2025-03-06
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Nice, centrally located café (near tram stops, city center). Tasty breakfast and good coffee are served. Nice ambience - especially if you find space in the upper part with a view of the outside and the lower part of the café/restaurant. I'd love to come by again when I'm in Leipzig 🙃
Simone Schmidt . 2025-03-03
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Every time I come, the service is always friendly and nice😁😁😁😁, and the cakes taste delicious!!! 😋😋😋😋😋I love this place!!! A must when visiting Leipzig😉😉😉😉
noe navarro . 2025-03-03
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Conclusion: Disaster, I won't be coming back. Why? We had reserved for 5 people and got a table for four. The waiter didn't help add another seat to the table or put tables together. Also, the floor upstairs was so dirty - there were a lot of crumbs and leftover food on the floor and I really wonder when the last time the floor saw a broom. There were also a lot of crumbs on the chairs. When I told the waiter this, he put them down with his hand (so much for the leftover food on the floor) and then said: "The rest are holes". The menus brought were in poor condition, the pages were folded and some were torn. Because of this, you sometimes couldn't read the food and drinks listed and had to share the only menu that was in good condition. After ordering, the waitress brought the drinks without saying a word, didn't ask who ordered what, but simply placed the drinks on the table. Unfortunately I don't think that's a service. Unfortunately, there was no feel-good atmosphere after all of this. I can't make any recommendations here and would rather advise anyone who is thinking about going to Schiller to go a few steps further to another location.
Manuel Engert . 2025-02-09
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Immer wieder super hier zu verweilen ......wir kommen oft nach Quedlinburg und da ist das Frühstück ein guter Einstieg ,um danach durch die Stadt zu wandeln....
Christina Puder . 2025-01-22
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Quite ok in itself. Unfortunately, conceptually completely confused. You only meet Friedrich Schiller in his name and that gives the wrong impression. Anyone expecting a fine cafe in Vienna's city center will be disappointed when they read the Turkish menu. Everything just doesn't fit together. The cake selection is quite ok. Unfortunately, the staff is not trained in gastronomy. You have to keep calling, otherwise unfortunately not much happens (at least when it's full). Linguistically, it can also be a challenge at times. Conclusion: Well...
Alex L. . 2025-01-17
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We have been regular customers here for years and are treated very friendly and courteously. Although one dish was removed from the menu, it was prepared for us every time as a gesture of goodwill and in a very nice manner. Of course it tastes twice as delicious! Always happy to come here!
Saskia R. . 2025-01-11
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Super friendly staff, good coffee and cake
Nini . 2025-01-03
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I discovered this place while researching on Google Maps to see where and what I could eat before going from Berlin to Leipzig. Today, on December 28, 2024, I had the opportunity to go. The salads and especially the lentil soup were really delicious. Many thanks to Hasan Bey, who took care of me, as well as all the employees and everyone who contributed.
Furkan Turan . 2024-12-28
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I missed Goetheglatzen and Sturmsaecke here. The poppy seed cake and apple tea was good. The price-performance ratio is ok.
Michael Brat . 2024-12-24
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A Turkish place we came across by chance while touring in Leipzig. The atmosphere is nice, the welcome is nice, the taste is good. The menu is extensive.
Eray . 2024-12-22
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After all, this restaurant understands quality! Hats off to you for kicking out the ongoing green crap! Definitely on my list for future visits!
Cosmosuna K . 2024-12-18
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The visit to the Schiller Restaurant in Leipzig was an absolute highlight. The ambience is stylish and cozy, the service attentive and friendly. The menu offers an excellent selection of dishes that impress both in terms of taste and appearance. I was particularly impressed by the quality of the ingredients and the creativity of the preparation. A place I can definitely recommend – perfect for a special dinner or a relaxing evening with friends. I'm already looking forward to my next visit! Thank you 🙏🏻
V Girl . 2024-12-11
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We made a stop here on our city tour through Leipzig + got a table on the gallery - the ambience makes a stylish impression - the service staff was nice + also took the time to explain to us something about the Turkish coffee - cake/baklava as well Coffee/tea were delicious - price/performance was perfectly fine
U H . 2024-12-08
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Food was great and staff was also very polite
phil _bye . 2024-12-05
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The atmosphere is inviting and cozy, perfect for a relaxed dinner. The staff was extremely friendly and attentive, which made the visit even more enjoyable. The food was simply fantastic! The choice of dishes was varied, and everything I tried was freshly prepared and full of flavor. The desserts, especially the baklava, were a real treat! I will definitely come back and recommend this restaurant to anyone who wants to experience delicious Turkish cuisine.
Laura Härlein . 2024-12-04
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I ate dessert today, it was delicious. I recommend it.
Muslum Kara . 2024-12-02
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Very tasty food in a great atmosphere with friendly staff!
Corax Auditore . 2024-12-01
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The food was delicious, lots of different cakes! Pleasant atmosphere, nice people. We'll be back!
Georgiana Cotet . 2024-11-26
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I really liked it. Food was delicious and the service was very nice.
Takin Tafuti . 2024-11-23
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The food was good, the service was bad, the order was wrong and the wait was too long. And the food was relatively expensive.
maryam fouladpour . 2024-10-31
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Coffee, food, baklava - everything was great
oliver muench . 2024-10-31
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Were here for afternoon coffee and cake. Unfortunately, the Oreo cake only tasted like coconut and the pistachio chocolate cake tasted like nothing. Unfortunately, the pieces of cake did not do justice to the nice ambience and the friendly service team. The restaurant/café is said to be very good for "normal" lunch or dinner dishes or baklava, but we didn't try them.
Simon Tempelmeier . 2024-10-28
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Nice atmosphere and friendly staff. Unfortunately, we were disappointed with the food. The beef steak and the veal skewer were fried and dry.
Simona . 2024-10-20
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Incredibly delicious and friendly!
карина вакула . 2024-10-20
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Friendly service, traditional Turkish dishes, but also pasta varieties - tasted very good. Delicious types of tea, e.g. Turkish apple tea. Modern atmosphere, there is no alcohol, the prices are moderate.
A BS . 2024-10-18
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Very nice, central and quiet cafe. Extremely nice service. Mega great selection of cakes. Very good Turkish hearty breakfast with delicious tea.
S B . 2024-10-08
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Very tasty Turkish dishes. The service is great and the food is also great. The garlic sauce is amazing!
Jenni B . 2024-10-07
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Always very good, even during the lunch break
Dario Schmidt . 2024-10-07
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Very good and popular restaurant with authentic cuisine and very friendly service. We had a great evening here with delicious Turkish food away from kebabs etc. If there is something to criticize, it is the somewhat cramped space - but perhaps that is simply due to the popularity of the restaurant.
Arno Nym . 2024-10-07
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Nice atmosphere and friendly staff. However, I have to say that the pistachio chocolate cake did not meet my expectations at all. I didn't taste any pistachio and there was no chocolate either. The cream on the cake was much too sweet and thick.
Lene . 2024-10-06
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Only good option at the city center to eat some Turkish. They have also special dish of the day like traditional bamya, mantı etc.
Meryem KAPLAN . 2024-10-05
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Super tasty food, very friendly service. Highly recommended!
Anja Tobias . 2024-10-04
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Nice food, friendly waiters and great location. Close to the park :)
Christian Dietzmann . 2024-10-02
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Nice Turkish restaurant with delicious food and very friendly staff. I've already tried a lot. Everything tastes good. The breakfast is also highly recommended. Dogs 🐕 must stay outside. No problem when the weather is nice. Toilet 🚽 in the basement.
Rici . 2024-10-01
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Excellent Turkish cuisine - mixed grill plate and Turkish pizza sensational! The desserts, e.g. coconut chocolate cake, were also very tasty. Highly recommended!
Eliza Keim . 2024-09-29
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Very good atmosphere and service. Dish of the day with pita bread, drink separately 12.50. Perfect quality/quantity/price. Highly recommended.
IGNACIO MÉNDEZ LÓPEZ . 2024-09-29
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Best Rice ever! Great soup, cake not too sweet. Made with love and care. Service optimal friendly and kind, relaxed and reliable. Very familiar atmosphere. A full on beautiful experience!
Gina Gutschmidt . 2024-09-27
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The food looks good, but I can't speak of high quality in terms of taste. The Künefe in particular was very bad, the edges were burnt, there was way too much syrup, the butter and cheese were really of poor quality, and unfortunately the pistachios on it were fake.
Marlon Brando . 2024-09-26
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Oh yes, another Turkish restaurant. But it's cool there. The menu is manageable and the food is freshly made. There was also a bit of small talk. We felt comfortable 😉
Oliver R. . 2024-09-18
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Friendly service, interesting pastries, great large terrace in a park.
René D . 2024-09-14
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Absolutely recommended and probably completely underestimated. Nice staff, prices are completely appropriate for city center conditions
Thomas Stehr . 2024-09-08
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Schillers is one of our absolute favorite restaurants in Leipzig.
Juliane Reusch . 2024-09-07
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Very nice restaurant and cafe. Friendly and very accommodating service. Pizza was very tasty. Keep it up.
Anja Wolf . 2024-09-07
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The meal takes a little too long.
Gwuni Mopera . 2024-09-04
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Food is really tasty and cheap. The service is relaxed and relaxed. The ambience in the store is also very nice and pretty
Nermin Kovacevic . 2024-09-02
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We were totally disappointed. Worst salad ever and way too expensive. The salad was rotten and the chicken was way too dry. The service was nice.
Daniela H . 2024-08-28
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Sitting on site right now. Top. Friendly service, good food, good prices. I rarely rate, but it's Sunday and this is top notch. Until next week.
Jan Hagedorn . 2024-08-25
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Very nice restaurant and pleasant atmosphere.
Walid Mahmoud . 2024-08-21
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Nice service, fast service. We'll be back soon.
Michael Habich . 2024-08-20
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Very friendly ambiance for friends/family or by yourself, good food and represents the turkish cuisine variety well. I recommend any dish containing meat as it is cooked well and they make it with good combos of rice/burghul and vegetables.
Memz 24 . 2024-08-18
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It's been a long time since I've eaten something this tasty. Highly recommended!
Quirin Keim . 2024-08-16
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It was great food and charming atmosphere
Maher Kamel . 2024-08-09
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All in all the food was ok. However, the price is too high for its quantity and quality. Unfortunately no recommendation for the restaurant, but perhaps as a café with coffee and cake!
Kevin Rich . 2024-08-05
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A really great restaurant, the food was very tasty, especially the Künefe! Our little extra request for a mixed starter platter was also possible without any problems. Price-performance ratio is very good.
Anna . 2024-08-04
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Nice shop. Outdoor area good and comfortable. Food well prepared. Gladly again. (Unfortunately there was no wine. Part of the concept. It's okay)
Wilhelm Oberliess . 2024-08-01
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Oh well . The pizza had a frozen character, the chicken was fried and dry. The salad was chopped into small pieces, so it was inedible with a knife and fork... and then it was also covered in that supermarket balsamic vinegar, which I personally find really bad. I won't be back and I haven't eaten either. Service spilled drinks but didn't wipe the table. 2 stars because the sun was shining! Unfortunately not recommended
mac goto . 2024-07-28
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Food 10/10 Ambiance 10/10 They speak English and they also accept cards My best choice in Leipzig city center
Usman Anwar . 2024-07-23
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I would like to warmly recommend the Schiller Restaurant in Leipzig! It is an exceptional place that serves delicious Italian-Turkish cuisine. All dishes are prepared with heart and taste excellent. You won't find better pastries in the whole city, it's so delicious it's simply unbelievable.
Simon . 2024-07-21
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Very good service, very tasty dishes, reasonable prices, a very successful Turkish restaurant in the center of Leipzig! 💯
FatihTV . 2024-07-20
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Perfecto servicio amigable con la ubicación. Grandes sombrillas en el exterior en terraza soleada. El baklava sabía excelente y muchos más dulces para elegir.
Mr D . 2024-07-15
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Cozy, very hospitable and warm! There's no honor, the specialties are simply delicious. From breakfast to lunch and dessert. There is something for every taste here.
Mitch Stein . 2024-07-13
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A nice place to stay! Stylish furnishings, very tasty food and drinks, excellent service with ease, friendliness and always a smile on your face. Wonderful and highly recommended!
Elke Hartleib . 2024-07-12
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Completely amazing. A friend of mine took me here as it’s one of his favorite places. I understand why. The people are beyond friendly, the food is out of this world, and the prices were way better than I expected. 100% a favorite of mine now too!
Steven . 2024-07-12
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Very tasty Turkish breakfast, good coffee and a nice selection. Friendly service. I will go again next time I visit Leipzig. However, there is a star deduction for the sometimes very long waiting times (despite fewer guests) and the somewhat unkempt toilets.
Hagen Wedding . 2024-07-10
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You could dismiss it as a simple café, but that would be a gross understatement. This Turkish restaurant is absolutely top class. It is particularly busy at lunchtime, which speaks for the quality of the food. The shady outdoor area offers a pleasant atmosphere and the service is excellent. A particular highlight is the lentil soup, which is said to be made according to a traditional recipe from the owner's grandmother. Whether this is true or not, the taste of this soup is an absolute insider tip and should definitely be tried. A visit is worth it in every respect.
Dominic Asche . 2024-07-07
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The food was quite good and the service was fairly quick and friendly.
Jeremy . 2024-07-03
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Before 9 in the morning, I have to go to the bank, but it's still closed. The Class A1 milk coffee from Schiller helps and the friendly welcome and service ensures a good start to the day. Thanks!
Wolfram Schuchardt . 2024-07-02
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Delicious breakfasts: omelettes and all sorts of different eggs. Fresh pita bread and real Turkish tea - very tasty! Nice atmosphere, beautiful interior and very nice staff.
Светлана Кучевская . 2024-06-29
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I was very impressed by the friendly service. The food, especially the Schiller, tastes very good. The dessert Sütlaç was also highly recommended. The prices are also not that high. The new design of the store also looks very good.
Su Li . 2024-06-29
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